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Veness Genetics

Having received assistance from this site, I would like to provide a definitive update on my VENESS research and make a request.

Having taken an atDNA test, we now have definitive genetic proof that the Birmingham VENESS families are all descendants of the children of Elizabeth VENESS of Worcester and one John BACON of Osbournby, Lincolnshire, masquerading as “John SMITH”. The proven genetic links are not only through Birmingham VENESS and two of the couple’s children known to have had issue, but also through John’s sister Jane, where there are at least 5 US descendants of different lines that have provided matches back to John & Jane’s parents in Lincolnshire. This closes this particular case.

The origins of Elizabeth’s father, Samuel VENESS (c1795) and living in Worcester remains unknown. Members of this site have been helpful in providing elimination information. Currently, we do not believe there is evidence of SSX origins for him, but possibly Kent. It is reasonably expected he has origins somewhere in the SE of England with this surname.

My request, since it is believed that Ancestry atDNA kits have been popular Christmas gifts, is that anyone testing with known VENESS connections in the SE share their results.

Rather than burden this excellent site with genetic discussions, please contact me on my research blog,

Ideally, if using Ancestry, I will need your Ancestry user name and would request data is uploaded (from Ancestry, FTDNA or other testing companies) to the GEDmatch database.

Many thanks for past and hopefully future assistance. I wish you all success research in 2018.

One response to “Veness Genetics”

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    My name is Suzanne I’ve just traced back my ancestors and I have a great grandad who is John bacon vaness masquerading as John Smith and Elizabeth vaness is also connected.

    He was born in 1848.

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